things the pentagon doing to prepare for a leaner future. gates was the one out there arguing to keep spending levels high. >> well up to now, the pentagon mainly way of saving money is through efficiencies. last budget go around for over five year period they said we will save $178 billion. however they reinvested 100 billion. now they believe more work can be done in terms of efficiencies, however more has to be done in terms of whether it's weapons, whether it's instrain. >> kate let me end with you, do we know, now that we have some of the these proposals on the floor, do we know where the 2012 defense bill is going to ultimately end up? >> i think all of the bills that have been passed so far, i think you will see defense get cut much more than has already been done so.